Session Start: Sat Nov 30 00:00:00 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
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[00:33]<+Craig> How goes the trolling of the trolls BC?
[00:35]<@BC_Programming> eh
[00:35]<+Craig> Gave up? Their intelect far below yours?
[00:35]<@BC_Programming> oh I had to give a fellow Canadian an history lesson
[00:35]<@BC_Programming> "Our first Prime Minister was good enough to let the French settle here" sigh...
[00:36]<@BC_Programming> Then I had to explain the notwithstanding clause
[00:36]<@BC_Programming> Then they asked about our constitution, you can't win
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[00:49]<@BC_Programming> FINE BE THAT WAY
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[10:34]<+Craig> Hey Guys, :P
[10:34]<@BC_Programming> heyo Craig
[10:34]<+Craig> I am finally back after a long evening of computer troubles. :P
[10:34]<+Craig> I tried to overclock and broke windows :P
[10:35]<+Craig> Stupid Gigabyte board is not as good as my ASUS.
[10:36]<+camerongray> lol
[10:36]<+camerongray> Nothing wrong with Gigabyte
[10:37]<+camerongray> And you know what they say, a bad workman always blames his tools :P
[10:37]<+Craig> No, but it is not able to over clock my CPU like ASUS did with its 0.899 Overclock
[10:37]<+camerongray> Board shouldn't make that much of a difference
[10:37]<+Craig> Oh yes it does.
[10:37]<+camerongray> Unless you are talking about the auto-overlclock functions
[10:38]<+Craig> And trust me Cameron, I do work at Memory Express as a tech, I Have overclocked before. This particular Gigabyte board is not as good as my old asus board.
[10:38]<+camerongray> lol, hey db :P
[10:38]<+camerongray> What boards are they :P
[10:38]<+Craig> 970A-D3P compared to my M5A87
[10:39]<+Craig> The latter being a 130$ board compared to the 99$ 970A-D3P
[10:39]<@BC_Programming> If my WD drive isn't with the seagate when it arrives Imma be most annoyed
[10:39]<+Craig> I agree BC
[10:39]<+camerongray> lol
[10:39]<+camerongray> I still need to get that board for my HTPC replaced
[10:39]<+camerongray> Stupid Foxconn!
[10:40]<+Craig> And why do you feel the need to insult me Cameron? I am not even close to acting like db.
[10:40]<+camerongray> I was kidding!
[10:40]<@BC_Programming> Craig: you did make an appeal to authority, that's sorta DB
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[10:40]<@BC_Programming> s raison d'etre
[10:40]<+camerongray> Hey Craig
[10:40]<@BC_Programming> and that's me failing at using the keyboard
[10:40]<+Craig> An appeal to authority?
[10:40]<+camerongray> dah
[10:40]<+camerongray> Hey Calum
[10:40]<@Calum> heh, hey camerongray
[10:40]<+Craig> Hey Calum
[10:40]<@Calum> hey craig
[10:41]<+camerongray> Sure Calum can sort this out :P
[10:41]<@Calum> hm?
[10:41]<+Craig> ?
[10:41]<@BC_Programming> Craig: "I work at X etc" The advantage you have I think is that it's actually applicable
[10:41]<+camerongray> Calum: Does a the board make a big difference to overclocking?
[10:42]<@BC_Programming> whereas with DB it's more like "my company uses Inspirons so I'm an expert on all Dell machines"
[10:42]<@Calum> depends on the platform but often it does
[10:42]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[10:42]<+Craig> Well, I wasnt hired because I am stupid thats for sure... :P
[10:42]<@Calum> but more at the top end really, if you want say 4-4.2 out of a Sandy or something, any board that's not a total POS will do that
[10:42]<@BC_Programming> mine has EasyTune 6 or something as part of the board software... I never used it
[10:42]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[10:43]<+camerongray> Craig: And notice how Calum didn't mention how he used to work at OCUK there :P
[10:43]<@BC_Programming> :P
[10:43]<@Calum> I used to work at OcUK so I know this
[10:43]<@Calum> oh...
[10:43]<+Craig> To be honest, I have never noticed the difference with or without that Overclocking.
[10:43]<@Calum> ;)
[10:44]<@BC_Programming> actually I did use it once, I think I made it unbootable and had to load fail-safe defaults
[10:44]<+camerongray> Gave mine a nice boost, not something I'd notice a lot in general use but gives a nice boost to CPU heavy things
[10:44]<@Calum> BC_Programming: yeah, Easytune is garbage, like most software based overclocking programs
[10:44]<@Calum> whether you'd notice an overclock depends whether the CPU is your bottleneck, if you never push the CPU you wouldn't notice if it was OC'd to 9GHz, if 3.4GHz was enough for what you were doing
[10:44]<@BC_Programming> I was tempted to overclock my K6-2 for a long time by switching the jumpers
[10:45]<@Calum> yeah basically what cameron said
[10:45]<@Calum> I notice a difference even with a tiny overclock because what I do typically pushes the CPU hard, so any difference is noticeable
[10:45]<@Calum> so it really depends on your usage
[10:46]<+camerongray> Yeah
[10:46]<+camerongray> I'm a lot more CPU heavy than GPU
[10:46]<+camerongray> And it's not like it damages anything unless you are a real idiot
[10:46]<@Calum> indeed
[10:46]<+camerongray> No matter what people in CH cry about
[10:47]<@BC_Programming> heh Packt Publishing's acquisitions editor was supposed to contact me but haven't been sent anything since last week
[10:47]<+Craig> As for the orignal conversation, the Gigabyte 970A-D3P is not a good board for a overclocker, I was stating this as a statement not as a plea that I am uber and should be able too.
[10:47]<@BC_Programming> They are clearly really in a rush to get this book written
[10:47]<+Craig> :P
[10:47]<@Calum> what's the backstory here btw? I just kind of came in halfway through this discussion and was asked things, slightly confused heh
[10:47]<@BC_Programming> Craig: we were just teasing you :P
[10:47]<@BC_Programming> well I was
[10:47]<+camerongray> So was I :P
[10:47]<@BC_Programming> no no you were super serious
[10:47]<+camerongray> haha
[10:48]<+Craig> I am not really in the mood for teasing today, I Have been under a lot of stress since I started this job, since I could be fired in 5 days.
[10:48]<+Craig> I have no clue where I stand.
[10:48]<@Calum> I know those feels man, I was like that through my whole probation period at OcUK
[10:48]<+Craig> Yeah
[10:48]<@Calum> you know your stuff though, sure you'll be fine :)
[10:49]<@BC_Programming> yep
[10:49]<@Calum> they'd be stupid to get rid of anyone even halfway competent at this time of year anyway
[10:49]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[10:49]<+Craig> Probably.
[10:50]<+camerongray> Influx of "I got this computer for christmas and it doesn't work" when they are doing something stupid :P
[10:50]<+Craig> :P
[10:50]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, and Calum - I've got the RMA number from OCUK and asked if they can preflash, will wait and see what they say
[10:50]<@Calum> ah cool, let me know what they say
[10:51]<@Calum> I'm away from Monday but will probably be able to get at email/messages etc if you need me to give them a nudge
[10:51]<+camerongray> Will Bailey respond at weekends or does he only do stuff during regular hours? (On the forum that is)
[10:51]<@Calum> seeing the tech guys on Tuesday actually
[10:51]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[10:51]<+camerongray> Though you meant the old PC World Tech Guys :P
[10:51]<+camerongray> thought*
[10:51]<@Calum> hm, not sure, I think he mainly just does regular hours on the forum, he used to work 1 saturday in 2 but not sure if he still does since he got promoted :P
[10:52]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[10:52]<@Calum> I know 5UB replies to customer queries all the time but he practically lives on the forum
[10:52]<@Calum> haha, no, seeing the OcUK tech team, one of them is leaving so it's his leaving party thing
[10:52]<@Calum> hilarious because half the team don't know me at all, I'm just always there on their tech outings
[10:52]<+camerongray> Ahh
[10:53]<@Calum> apparently me and Nick, a guy who left before me, are like living legends, they still tell stories about us :)
[10:53]<+camerongray> I'm at the CompSoc christmas party on tuesday :P
[10:53]<+camerongray> As you do :P
[10:53]<@Calum> heh, nice
[10:53]<@Calum> like the time when I asked Nick how to get the side panel off this ridiculous case and all he would say was "side"
[10:53]<+camerongray> Not bad since they cover part of the cost - £10 for a full 3 course meal
[10:54]<@Calum> Nick, how do I get this off? Side. But how? Side. WTF are you talking about? SIDE!!!!
[10:54]<@Calum> ah that's awesome
[10:54]<+camerongray> lol!
[10:54]<+camerongray> I'm pushing the boat out and spending £5 extra to get steak
[10:54]<@Calum> a wise decision
[10:56]<@BC_Programming> I Think I might end up being responsible for merging the libraries from our two largest products
[10:56]<@BC_Programming> I love how so many things are done twice already, like nobody ever thought "gee, maybe we should only write each lookup once"
[10:56]<@Calum> oops, it's Thursday I'm going out...that would've been awkward arriving 2 days early
[10:57]<@BC_Programming> Calum: "hilarious because half the team don't know me at all, I'm just always there on their tech outings" lol
[10:57]<@BC_Programming> I can imagine that
[10:57]<@BC_Programming> "who's he?" "I dunno, he seems important, don't make any sudden moves"
[10:57]<@Calum> haha
[10:57]<@Calum> pretty much
[10:58]<@Calum> they got confused because one time last year I had a beard and mustache, the next time I was clean shaven
[10:58]<@Calum> this time I have a beard again
[10:58]<@BC_Programming> I have also cultivated a beard
[10:58]<@BC_Programming> no soup strainer as they annoy me
[10:58]<@Calum> heh
[10:58]<+camerongray> lol
[10:59]<+camerongray> This is why you need a profile picture on facebook :P
[10:59]<@Calum> My beard isn't very good, it looks awful without a 'tache to go with it
[11:00]<@BC_Programming> sometimes I'll rub my chin and go "WTF I just shaved" so I decided to roll with it
[11:00]<@Calum> heh, mine takes forever and a day to grow
[11:00]<@Calum> people ask me if I'm doing Movember, and I'm like....if I was, you wouldn't be able to see it yet...lol
[11:00]<@BC_Programming> Let's get a follicle transplant
[11:01]<@Calum> I would support that
[11:06]<+camerongray> Some of the guys at work were doing movember, it was rather amsuing :P
[11:08]<@BC_Programming> apparently a Customer complained about my E-mail export program. "Why is it called E-mail export if it exports other things"
[11:08]<@BC_Programming> Finally somebody who understands
[11:09]<+Craig> Most of the guys at my work have pedostaches. :P
[11:10]<+camerongray> haha
[11:11]<@BC_Programming> I need new razor blades mine are dull and hurty
[11:11]<@BC_Programming> but of course nobody sells the blades for the razor I have anymore, clever
[11:12]<+Craig> :P
[11:12]<+Craig> My Next Processor
[11:12]<+Craig> Intel® Core" i7 4930K Desktop Processor
[11:12]<+Craig> Unlock your full potential with maximized speed
[11:12]<+Craig> Clock speed: 3.4 GHz (up to 3.9 GHz with Intel® Turbo Boost Technology 2.0)
[11:12]<+Craig> 6 cores, 12 threads
[11:12]<+Craig> 0.22 nm microarchitecture
[11:12]<+Craig> LGA 2011, 130W TDP
[11:12]<+Craig> 12 MB Intel® Smart Cache
[11:12]<+Craig> Intel® Turbo Boost 2.0 Technology
[11:12]<+Craig> Intel® Hyper-Threading Technology
[11:12]<+camerongray> lol, nice
[11:12]<+Craig> http://ark.intel.com/products/77780/Intel-Core-i7-4930K-Processor-12M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz?wapkw=4930k
[11:12]<+Craig> Guess how much its going to cost me
[11:12]<+camerongray> no idea
[11:13]<+camerongray> What do you actually use your machine for?
[11:13]<+Craig> First, how much do you think it will cost!
[11:14]<+Craig> :P
[11:14]<+camerongray> Like $500-$600? Unless you are getting some crazy deal though work
[11:14]<+Craig> About 200, maybe 205
[11:14]<+camerongray> Wow, nice!
[11:14]<+camerongray> How do you get that?
[11:14]<@Calum> that's an awesome deal
[11:15]<+Craig> Intel Retail Edge, its a intel program obviously for sales people. :P
[11:15]<@BC_Programming> heh of course my SSD/HDD would arrive on Monday, so I have to practically wait all week to get time to set it up
[11:15]<+camerongray> Ahh
[11:15]<@Calum> ah yeah, retail edge is amazing
[11:15]<+Craig> Luckily techs are not excluded from the training. :P
[11:15]<@BC_Programming> and you just know my current HDD is going to fail Friday afternoon lol
[11:15]<+Craig> Wow
[11:15]<@Calum> BC_Programming: swear they time it to do that lol
[11:15]<+Craig> That sucks BC :P
[11:15]<+Craig> I told you you could back up to my server
[11:15]<+Craig> Pics and all
[11:15]<+Craig> I have 4 TB available.
[11:16]<@BC_Programming> It probably won't fail, it still reads as good and chkdsk actually works
[11:16]<+Craig> Cool,
[11:16]<@BC_Programming> it's just the same model as the failed one and apparently 7200.11's had issues
[11:17]<+Craig> Ahh
[11:18]<+Craig> Well, Cameron, to answer your question, I am converting from AMD to Intel for my main computer, and moving the 8core to my server.
[11:18]<+Craig> Its not a need, but a fun thing to upgrade, and a very rare deal. :P
[11:18]<@Calum> retail edge deals are always worth jumping on
[11:18]<@BC_Programming> technically I could try to set it up right away, but then I'll be rushing through so I can use it for work stuff
[11:19]<@Calum> picked out an X79 board for it yet?
[11:19]<@BC_Programming> wait for the weekend and I can have it all setup again by Monday
[11:19]<@Calum> yeah it's easier that way
[11:20]<+Craig> Yeah,
[11:20]<+Craig> a WS board from ASUS
[11:20]<+Craig> About 399$
[11:21]<+Craig> http://www.asus.com/Commercial_Servers_Workstations/P9X79_WS/
[11:21]<@Calum> nice board
[11:22]<+Craig> I am not sure if I am going to get a SSD for caching since I may just do 4 3TB drives for speed and redundancy
[11:23]<+camerongray> If you are doing that build without an SSD Calum and I will kill you :P
[11:24]<+Craig> Hehe, I also get a deal on the board from my work. :P
[11:24]<+Craig> Why would I want another point of failure on a system that never gets shutdown?
[11:24]<+camerongray> I woudn't do caching though, Just keep it as a dedicated boot drive
[11:24]<@Calum> ah, was wondering why you'd picked the WS, but fair enough
[11:24]<+Craig> SSD's mostly provide boosts on boot.
[11:24]<+camerongray> nah, makes everything load faster
[11:24]<+Craig> No it doesnt.
[11:25]<@BC_Programming> Stupid NES top-loader just has to be more expensive than the other console
[11:25]<+camerongray> Err... it kinda does
[11:25]<+camerongray> I hardly care about boot time
[11:25]<+Craig> That is a miss conception
[11:25]<+camerongray> Like how registry boosters work?
[11:25]<@BC_Programming> ok then explain how a SSD doesn't speed up all disk drives
[11:25]<@BC_Programming> oops
[11:25]<+Craig> It only speeds up what is on the drive
[11:25]<+Craig> if the drive is only a 120, everything is going to be on my raid.
[11:25]<@BC_Programming> all disk access to that drive
[11:25]<+camerongray> Programs stay on the SSD
[11:25]<@BC_Programming> if he only has 120 that's probably not enough room
[11:25]<+Craig> My RAID 5 reads around 300-400MBps whats the difference?
[11:26]<@Calum> I've sued a 32GB for a year :P
[11:26]<+camerongray> I've recently revamped all my storage - SSDs only in machines then RAID 1 in my Atom server - Server stores all media and files, SSDs store all OSs and programs
[11:26]<@Calum> *used
[11:26]<@Calum> difference is in random access, random reads and writes - I agree you won't see a difference in sequential reads/writes though
[11:26]<+Craig> I had a 60GB primary, and it failed, about 3 months after purchase, so I am sticking with what I know, Standard drives in a raid.
[11:27]<+camerongray> That was either a bad SSD or a random failure :P
[11:27]<+Craig> Most of what I do is sequential,
[11:27]<+Craig> random failure Cam.
[11:27]<@BC_Programming> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NINTENDO-NES-101-ORIGINAL-TOP-LOADER-SYSTEM-FACTORY-NEW-Dog-Bone-/321256679543?pt=Video_Games&hash=item4acc63e877
[11:27]<+Craig> I still don't like them, try recovering from one.
[11:27]<@BC_Programming> 1 thousand dollars for a NES console wtf
[11:27]<+camerongray> True, but a hard drive that has completely died is also a pain to fix
[11:28]<@BC_Programming> that's why he is using RAID methinks
[11:28]<+Craig> I can recover on my RAID,
[11:28]<+camerongray> Trye
[11:28]<+camerongray> I myself have had HDDs fail but never had an SSD go - Doesn't mean I disregard HDDs as bad :P
[11:28]<+Craig> Heh See BC understands.
[11:28]<@Calum> yeah SSD failures are a pain, being as it's usually the controller that fails so you don't even have the option of replacing the platter or something like you can on a HDD, but that's why we have backups :)
[11:28]<+Craig> And I Have backup on my Server, :P
[11:28]<+camerongray> I also understand, my main server is also RAID and backs up to my colocated machine
[11:29]<+camerongray> Nothing crucial on SSds
[11:29]<@Calum> by "we" I mean anyone who cares about their data
[11:29]<+Craig> :P
[11:29]<+camerongray> And SSDs win for laptops :P
[11:30]<+Craig> Remember cameron, I do know what I am doing, some of my builds have been looked over by other techs, and speed deamons at work, they still have't been able to build better for the same price.
[11:30]<+Craig> Yes I have an SSD in my laptop, which is FULLY backed up to my server.
[11:31]<+camerongray> Craig: I'm not arguing, no need to get so defensive and show-offy
[11:31]<+Craig> As I said, I have been under a lot of stress, and second guessing myself recently, defensive is what I am right now.
[11:33]<+camerongray> No worries
[11:33]<+Craig> Admittidly, you don't like being challenged in a full conversation either, so you can understand where I am coming from
[11:34]<+Craig> I cannot imagine what I would do with 64GB ram.
[11:34]<+Craig> (Thats what the board I am planning on supports)
[11:34]<@Calum> Run a huge RAM drive and then hide from BC's wrath ;)
[11:34]<@BC_Programming> Mine supports 16GB and it would cost like 400 dollars lol
[11:35]<+Craig> Holy crap, what kind of ram are you buying?
[11:35]<+camerongray> Mine can do 32 I thinnk :P
[11:35]<@BC_Programming> it would be DDR2
[11:35]<@BC_Programming> has to be 4 4GB sticks
[11:35]<+Craig> I have 1667 ram, and it was only 250 for the 32GB set.
[11:35]<+Craig> OH AHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHA
[11:35]<+Craig> Yeah thats a mite bit more expensive.
[11:35]<+camerongray> New laptop is currently on 4gb as it turned out to need low voltage RAM so I'll have to get some of that
[11:36]<+Craig> Dang, I am not a fan of the Low voltage, :P
[11:36]<+Craig> Caused me quite the headache in testing the other week.
[11:36]<+camerongray> Yeah, same :P
[11:36]<+camerongray> Didn't really think about it technically being an ultrabook
[11:36]<@BC_Programming> in retrospect I suppose I could have bought 2 4GB sticks when I built it instead of 4 2GB sticks but hindsight is the better part of valour, to mix metaphors
[11:36]<+Craig> Hehe, those are a pain in the but to server,
[11:37]<+Craig> service*
[11:37]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[11:37]<+camerongray> Took me an hour to get the bottom off!
[11:37]<+Craig> They have way too many flat cables.
[11:37]<+Craig> Really? what model?
[11:37]<+camerongray> At first I thought I'd damaged something when I took the base off causing the RAM not to be found :P
[11:37]<+Craig> Most take me 5 minutes?
[11:37]<+camerongray> ThinkPad t440s
[11:37]<+camerongray> I was being very careful :P
[11:37]<+Craig> Hmm, lenovo is not bad usually?
[11:37]<+Craig> Ahh
[11:37]<+camerongray> It's all clipped around the edges
[11:38]<+camerongray> So getting them off wasn't fun
[11:38]<+Craig> Yeah I have spudgers for that
[11:38]<+Craig> I hate clips...
[11:38]<+camerongray> Yeah, I should get one
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[11:38]<+Craig> The only problem with my future board is that the 8 ports may not all be visible by Ubuntu.
[11:38]<@BC_Programming> does Ubuntu have bad vision
[11:38]<+Craig> Since there is an intel and Marvel controller.
[11:39]<+camerongray> Hey Cassie
[11:39]<wonderwoman> Hey Cameron :)
[11:39]<+Craig> Hehe, another UK person :P
[11:39]<+camerongray> yay
[11:39]<@BC_Programming> oh... THOSE types
[11:39]<@Calum> yeah, don't use the Marvell
[11:39]<+Craig> We're outnumbered BC. :P
[11:39]<+camerongray> Too many English... :P
[11:39]<+Craig> I don't like Marvell controllers, but thats whats on the baord.
[11:39]<wonderwoman> What's wrong with english eh?
[11:40]<wonderwoman> helicopters crash in scotland :O
[11:40]<@BC_Programming> they're hosers
[11:40]<+camerongray> haha
[11:40]<+Craig> I would get a LSI controller, but the one I am buying is for my server. :P
[11:40]<+camerongray> You're all southern :P
[11:40]<+Craig> BAAHAHAHAH
[11:40]<@BC_Programming> I don't even know what a hoser is
[11:40]<+camerongray> With all your cups of tea and scones
[11:40]<@Calum> Craig: yeah, just saying the add-on controllers are rubbish, Marvell, JMicron, etc
[11:40]<+Craig> Me either, and thats a canadian term.
[11:40]<wonderwoman> That's London
[11:40]<+camerongray> haha
[11:40]<wonderwoman> I don't live there anymore so it doesn't count
[11:40]<+Craig> Yeah I agree Calum
[11:41]<wonderwoman> Calum is soo happy :O
[11:41]<@BC_Programming> Don't you have to make an annual pilgrimage to set your clocks to Big Ben?
[11:41]<+camerongray> What other Canadian terms are there? :P
[11:41]<+Craig> My Ubuntu machine is using Software raid at the moment, I would use hardware but not many low cost support Raid6
[11:41]<+camerongray> We have so many!
[11:41]<+camerongray> Like 'hingy'
[11:41]<@Calum> Linux software RAID is pretty good though right?
[11:41]<wonderwoman> No we don't... Plus no-on cares about big ben
[11:41]<+Craig> Yeah I can get up to 500MBps.
[11:41]<wonderwoman> just toruists
[11:41]<+Craig> or so
[11:41]<wonderwoman> tourists*
[11:41]<@Calum> cool
[11:41]<+camerongray> lol, same here
[11:42]<+Craig> I could probably get more speed, but I Need a faster network to test. :P hahahahah
[11:42]<+camerongray> I keep having to remind myself that there is an ancient castle and that tourists have never seen it before so that's why they get exicited :P
[11:42]<@BC_Programming> did you know that if you look at big ben in the right light, you can see what time it is?
[11:42]<@BC_Programming> little known fact
[11:42]<+Craig> BAHAHAhahahahahaha
[11:42]<+camerongray> haah!
[11:42]<wonderwoman> I have never really looked at it tbh
[11:42]<+Craig> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA <- Only me and Jacky can do this. :P
[11:43]<+Craig> Intel® Solid-State Drive
[11:43]<+Craig> 530 Series (180 GB) <_ Guess how much?
[11:43]<+camerongray> lol!
[11:43]<+Craig> Oh and people with chanbot access. :p
[11:44]<@BC_Programming> I don't know many Canadian terms. All I know is there aren't many stereotypes that seem to make sense
[11:44]<+Craig> Hahaha like aboot
[11:44]<@BC_Programming> though I guess that's why they are stereotypes
[11:44]<@Calum> Craig: bleh, Sandforce SSD :(
[11:44]<+Craig> Seriously, only easterners say it like that.
[11:44]<+Craig> :P
[11:44]<@BC_Programming> or saying "eh"
[11:44]<@BC_Programming> or "side by each"
[11:44]<+Craig> Again I am not a fan of SSD's :p
[11:45]<+Craig> But its only 135 for the next two weeks for me.
[11:45]<+Craig> 135$
[11:45]<@Calum> it's Sandforce though
[11:45]<+Craig> hahahaha
[11:45]<@Calum> it'll set your house on fire
[11:45]<@BC_Programming> they make great sand blasters, why would you doubt their SSDs
[11:45]<+Craig> I don;t even know the difference, I only know that there are more SSD's failing in the new computers than HDD's.
[11:45]<+camerongray> Yeah, people stereotype us as running around in kilts eating haggis and drinking Irn Bru/whiskey
[11:45]<+Craig> :P
[11:46]<+camerongray> We only do that a couple of times a year :P
[11:46]<+Craig> But you do drink Irn Bru?
[11:46]<+camerongray> Yes :P
[11:46]<@BC_Programming> and you do wear kilts
[11:46]<+camerongray> Yep :P
[11:46]<+Craig> So its true>
[11:46]<@BC_Programming> and you do eat haggis
[11:46]<+camerongray> lol!
[11:46]<+camerongray> haha!
[11:46]<+Craig> <.< >.>
[11:46]<@Calum> Craig: Sandforce are unreliable, most other controllers are alright. Crucial, Samsung, Toshiba, and Plextor/Lite-On are about all I would buy, oh and older Intels before they went Sandfarce too
[11:46]<+camerongray> But we talk completely normally, everyone can understand us :P - jk
[11:46]<@BC_Programming> Sandfarce not sure if typo or brilliant
[11:47]<+Craig> hehehehe, What about OCZ! :PO
[11:47]<@Calum> BC_Programming: not a typo ;)
[11:47]<@Calum> Craig: OCZ are bankrupt now, thankfully
[11:47]<@BC_Programming> my Video Card actually dates my build quite a bit on that topic
[11:47]<@BC_Programming> what with BFG Tech going under like 3 years ago
[11:48]<@Calum> they did a lot of Sandforce drives and some other controllers, their Sandforce were awful, others were mostly ok-ish but I never liked them as a company
[11:48]<@Calum> ah, BFG...
[11:48]<+Craig> :P
[11:48]<+Craig> I didn't know that, but their drives are pootching. :P
[11:48]<@Calum> pootching?
[11:48]<@BC_Programming> it's a canadian term
[11:48]<@BC_Programming> maybe
[11:49]<@Calum> does it mean "awful" and "failure rate 10000000% that of every other manufacturer"?
[11:49]<+camerongray> lol yeah, never heard it
[11:49]<@BC_Programming> I've never heard it either. I like it.
[11:49]<+Craig> Pootched, means dead, or breaking
[11:50]<+Craig> Pootching is my terms :P
[11:50]<@Calum> I sometimes buy original OCZ Vertexes and Agilities as they're Indilinx drives, but never their Sandforce drives, they really are the worst
[11:50]<@Calum> I'm happy to see them die as a company due to the grief they caused me heh
[11:50]<+Craig> The Agility III drive sucked too right?
[11:51]<@Calum> yep, that was Sandforce
[11:51]<@Calum> along with the Agility 2, and Vertex 2, 3, and LE
[11:51]<@Calum> and Solid 2 and 3
[11:51]<@Calum> and maybe some more
[11:51]<@BC_Programming> I got a Seagate SSD
[11:51]<@BC_Programming> I forget why. MAybe I wanted to rebel
[11:51]<+Craig> Yeah I was running tests on a customers hardware for 2 weeks till we ran the tool from OCZ to see what was going on.
[11:51]<+Craig> It was in a pre-failure state.
[11:51]<@Calum> you must be the only one to buy a Seagate drive heh, they're so uncommon
[11:51]<@Calum> never used one myself
[11:52]<@BC_Programming> http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8037064
[11:52]<@Calum> most common thing with Sandfarce is to just cause random BSODs
[11:52]<+Craig> I liked Seagate till I got my WD Red's, now thats pretty much all I have.
[11:53]<@Calum> alright I gotta go guys, time for food! Catch you later :)
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[11:53]<+Craig> That means from now on I need to see what drives have Sandforce, since a lot of SSD's I test, I am not sure why they are failing.
[11:53]<+Craig> Hahaha, he doesn't stay long does he?
[11:53]<@BC_Programming> a Crucial would have been cheaper with the same size so the Seagate better not give me problems
[11:54]<@BC_Programming> It claims a faster write speed
[11:55]<+Craig> Well, as long as its not sandforce, apparently you should be ok. :P
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[11:55]<@BC_Programming> it also comes with a SATA cable yay
[11:58]<+Craig> back in a bit.
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[12:12]<Craig> Yay 97 updates does.
[12:12]<Craig> done*
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[12:21]<+Craig> Going to try out OpenSuse 13.1 :) See what its like now.
[12:25]<+Craig> Hmmm, I am much more confortable in commandline that I used to be. :)
[12:25]<@BC_Programming> I might be able to get some free stuff through work in return for certain extra work
[12:25]<+Craig> Awesome, how so?
[12:26]<@BC_Programming> well he still has to work it out with the owner but basically there are a bunch of programs that we need made
[12:26]<+Craig> Awesome
[12:26]<+Craig> thats right up your alley :P
[12:26]<+Craig> What with your nack for programming and such, :P
[12:26]<@BC_Programming> so either I could get extra money or we could have another arrangement with hardware, because that would take me passed 80
[12:26]<+Craig> Awesome
[12:26]<+Craig> Passed 80hrs you mean?
[12:27]<@BC_Programming> yeah
[12:27]<@BC_Programming> technically if I go passed 80 it just rolls over
[12:27]<@BC_Programming> "Shiny new laptop" was the example of the sort of hardware I could get :P
[12:27]<@BC_Programming> as if I need one lol
[12:29]<+Craig> Hahahahah
[12:31]<@BC_Programming> was thinking Monitor :P
[12:31]<+Craig> I wish I could set the default sector size to 64K on my main drive for windows.
[12:32]<+Craig> Nice choice
[12:32]<+Craig> That would be a good idea
[12:32]<+Craig> And they can probably get a discount on hardware
[12:33]<+Craig> How far are you from Richmond BC?
[12:33]<@BC_Programming> across the strait
[12:34]<+Craig> http://www.memoryexpress.com/Stores/Location/Richmond <- if you guys had a corperate account there, it would be cheaper to buy hardware there than online
[12:34]<@BC_Programming> Actually, our Office is shared with a system hardware company, concise computers, first-name basis type deal
[12:34]<+Craig> 440$ for 4 2TB drives for my main computer, set that all up in a raid 5 that would be awesome.
[12:35]<+Craig> Nice
[12:35]<+Craig> What kind of hardware do they sell?
[12:35]<@BC_Programming> Servers and probably network stuff, it's mostly aimed at business uses
[12:35]<+Craig> Ahh
[12:36]<+Craig> Well, a lot of that stuff would still be good for what you need.
[12:36]<@BC_Programming> oh definitely
[12:42]<+Craig> So what is your next computer going to look like hardware wise?
[12:42]<@BC_Programming> don't know
[12:42]<@BC_Programming> won't be for a while yet
[12:42]<+Craig> No?
[12:42]<+Craig> When is your probation up?>
[12:43]<@BC_Programming> I figure this one will suit me fine once I replace the hard drives
[12:43]<+Craig> Ahh
[12:43]<@BC_Programming> Probation?
[12:43]<+Craig> first three months on the job
[12:43]<+Craig> Or are you contract?
[12:43]<@BC_Programming> Three Months was the 19th
[12:44]<+Craig> awesome, congrats.
[12:44]<+Craig> brb
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[12:57]<+Craig> I am so tired... :P
[12:58]<+Craig> Hi Jacky
[12:59]<@jacky> Craig: Hello
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[17:35]<+camerongray> wb
[17:36]<+camerongray> Oh yeah Craig, did you hear about my new laptop?
[18:27]<Jamer> camerongray you up?
[18:29]<+camerongray> Yeah
[18:30]<+camerongray> Sitting in the lab trying to work out "Nondeterministic Finite Pushdown Automata" :P
[18:30]<Jamer> Lol
[18:30]<+camerongray> And thinking about how much I love this laptop
[18:30]<Jamer> I just got home from a trip
[18:31]<+camerongray> Ahh cool, where to?
[18:31]<Jamer> Aunts house then washington dc
[18:31]<Jamer> 10 hour drive
[18:32]<+camerongray> Ahh nice
[18:32]<+camerongray> Jeez that's a long time :P
[18:32]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah, Thanksgiving
[18:32]<Jamer> Yeah
[18:32]<+camerongray> It's "St Andrews Day" today, but I'm to busy revising :P
[18:33]<Jamer> Lol
[18:33]<+camerongray> I should be sitting in a pub wearing a kilt and eating haggis right now, but insead I'm sitting working out stuff
[18:35]<+camerongray> Then again, I'll be doing all that on tuesday (With steak instead of haggis) on tuesday for the CompSoc "Christmas" party :P
[18:35]<Jamer> I put 46 pictyres up on facebook if you want to look
[18:35]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah, nice!
[18:35]<+camerongray> I need to put all my old holiday photos on Facebook
[18:36]<Jamer> Lol
[18:36]<+camerongray> Still need to sort them - I have a tendancy to take far too many photos
[18:36]<+camerongray> Last holiday I filled a 32gb SD card
[18:36]<+camerongray> Twice!
[18:37]<Jamer> O
[18:37]<Jamer> O.o
[18:39]<+camerongray> Yeah, dangers of a DSLR
[18:40]<+camerongray> That was Florida & NYC
[18:40]<+camerongray> Typical tourist destinations :P
[18:44]<Craig> Dangit all anyway...
[18:44]<Craig> My main computer has gone down.
[18:44]<+camerongray> Hey Craig
[18:44]<+camerongray> Oh, anything serious?
[18:44]<Craig> For some reason it won't power up
[18:45]<Craig> So now it could be the ps, or the mb..
[18:45]<+camerongray> Oh, that sucks
[18:45]<+camerongray> Tried jump starting the PSU?
[18:45]<Craig> Tried resetting the cmos, the ps, and everything
[18:45]<+camerongray> Does the PSU power stuff when you don't go through the board?
[18:45]<Craig> Nothing seems to be wrong, so I would say that its probably the power supply, or the board.
[18:46]<Craig> You mean if I use a tester?
[18:46]<+camerongray> If you have one yeah
[18:46]<+camerongray> Otherwise just connect the green and a black wire in the ATX connector together and see if it will power you fans/drives
[18:47]<Craig> You mean short them?
[18:47]<+camerongray> Yeah
[18:47]<Craig> Thats kinda dangerous, I would need to check my pinouts.
[18:47]<+camerongray> It's won't confirm the PSU is flawless but if it doesn't do anything there then you know the PSU is dead
[18:47]<+camerongray> It's the green wire, need to connect it to ground
[18:47]<+camerongray> Just use a paperclip, dead easy
[18:48]<+camerongray> I tend to do the short with the PSU unplugged then check it's correct and then plug it in
[18:48]<Craig> Hmmm now pidgin seems to be stick below my task bar at the top of the Ubuntu screen... :<
[18:49]<Jamer> Does the motherboard have any lights on it?
[18:49]<Craig> The computer is OFF
[18:49]<Craig> there are no lights on.
[18:49]<Jamer> There usually is like a green light on the motgerboard even if off
[18:49]<Craig> In this case, there doesnt seem to be.
[18:50]<Craig> My computer was acting weird all day today. So I saw this coming.
[18:50]<+camerongray> I'd certainly jump the PSU as a first test - Doesn't take much time and doesn't need any parts (except for a paperclip)
[18:50]<Craig> Lucky for me I bought this Gigabyte Brix uit.
[18:50]<Craig> unit*
[18:50]<+camerongray> Ahh nice! I was thinking about getting one actually
[18:50]<Craig> Hahaha, thats one part I do not have. :P
[18:50]<Craig> A paperclip.
[18:50]<+camerongray> lol, bit wire?
[18:50]<+camerongray> Just anything metal really
[18:51]<Craig> Make sure you know if it needs LV ram though, the new ones at the store do, it was a cause for concern earlier this month.
[18:51]<Craig> Its cool Cam, I will figure it out when I am not tired.
[18:51]<+camerongray> lol
[18:51]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah, I never think about LV RAM
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[18:53]<Craig> Dun dun dun...
[18:54]<Craig> Took a moment to figure that out, had to close Pidgin though...
[18:54]<Craig> This computer is microscopic, but still fairly powerful. :)
[18:54]<+camerongray> lol
[18:54]<+camerongray> Which CPU did you get, the 847 Celeron?
[18:54]<Craig> Doesnt have firewire though, so no fancy mic... :(
[18:54]<Craig> Nah i3 377something
[18:54]<Craig> I think
[18:54]<+camerongray> Ahh nice
[18:55]<Craig> I know its an i3
[18:55]<Craig> :P
[18:55]<+camerongray> Nice
[18:55]<Craig> It didnt like my 1080p 15gig files thoguh. :P so it got demoted from Media Center.
[18:55]<+camerongray> My current HTPC is a Celeron 847, really nice but struggles a tiny bit with 1080p
[18:55]<Craig> Yeah
[18:56]<+camerongray> Replacing it with a Celeron G1610 machine in a nice Antec Fusion Micro 350 case (Got for £40 on eBay)
[18:56]<Craig> the integrated 4000 intel is not too bad, makes Ubuntu work like a charm
[18:56]<+camerongray> Issue was that I got the board but it had an old BIOS that only supported Sandy CPUs so I took the Xeon out my server to be able to boot it, flashed the BIOS, bricked it :P
[18:56]<Craig> Well, I am still getting the 4930 from intel and then the P9X79 from ASUS. :) just on a bit shorter time table... :S
[18:56]<+camerongray> At least OCUK are letting me RMA it
[18:57]<Craig> BAHAHAHAHAHA Bricked it.
[18:57]<Craig> :P
[18:57]<+camerongray> Yeah, it all seemed to go fine
[18:57]<Craig> If its bricked, I don't see why they wouldnt return it.
[18:57]<Craig> It would just be a doa
[18:57]<+camerongray> But now the board just sits powering on and off
[18:57]<+camerongray> Nah, it worked until I bricked it :P
[18:57]<Craig> Thats incompatability, did you use the New CPU After it finished flashing?
[18:57]<+camerongray> Then again, I started the prorcess that bricked it, but I didn't cause it to break
[18:57]<+camerongray> Tried both
[18:58]<Craig> Ahhh ok
[18:58]<+camerongray> This is the board - http://www.foxconnchannel.com/ProductDetail.aspx?T=Motherboard&U=en-us0000534
[18:58]<+camerongray> Not a bad deal for £20 (New but open box)
[18:58]<Craig> WOW, this chick upstairs has such obnoxious music, I so want to hack her wireless and then all her computers and bring her network down.
[18:58]<+camerongray> lol
[18:58]<Craig> Steal her bandwidth, and encrypt all her files.
[18:58]<+camerongray> Probably similar to my music choice :P
[18:58]<Craig> No, you probably have taste.
[18:58]<+camerongray> That's debatable :P
[18:59]<+camerongray> Currently listening to Calvin Harris and Avicii
[18:59]<Craig> She is a tone deaf, self centered, whining, crying, puking, child, who needs a good spanking, and a cold slap in the face.
[18:59]<+camerongray> lol!
[19:00]<Craig> Thats an ok board by the way
[19:00]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[19:00]<Craig> Foxconn is not too bad. :)
[19:00]<+camerongray> It does seem pretty nice, until it broke
[19:00]<Craig> :P
[19:00]<Jamer> Craig .. in washington dc there is so many unprotected wifi points and routets with default info its not funny
[19:00]<+camerongray> yeah, not popular with retail stuff but foxconn boards are certainly common in OEM machines
[19:00]<Craig> Yeah we do quick mounts at our store, and we flash the bios if your CPU isnt compatible so that your computer works when you get it home.
[19:01]<Craig> Yeah
[19:01]<+camerongray> Ahh nice!
[19:01]<+camerongray> I asked OCUK to do that so hopefully they will
[19:01]<Craig> Some of the biggest Server boards are foxconn in some places :P
[19:01]<+camerongray> Calum said that if they refuse, he'll make them :P
[19:01]<Craig> :P hehe
[19:01]<Craig> I would do it for ya
[19:01]<+camerongray> lol
[19:01]<+camerongray> £20 board, £100 shipping :P
[19:01]<Craig> I hate doing 2011's, hehe oddly enough I am going to have to get it done for my board too when it arrives.
[19:02]<Craig> Hahahah totally
[19:02]<Craig> talk to you later thoguh, gonna watch a show with my sister in law
[19:02]<+camerongray> Ahh cool, cya
[19:02]<+camerongray> I made my "Nondeterministic pushdown automata" work :D
[19:05]<+camerongray> Oh, and ingested half my pen lid in the process!
[19:07]<Jamer> O.o
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